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Title: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Stickman Sham on November 04, 2013, 02:34:28 PM
Now that the motherboard and cpu is all in, I can turn on the computer and see the BIOS screen, but when I get past the motherboard launch, I get to the "windows did not start up properly" and all of the options lead to a blue screen quickly flash and restart. I have a good idea of what it says, something about installed software. Help?


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 04, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
I am taking a guess that the installation of windows jacked up, or missing some crucial files.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Moonkey on November 04, 2013, 05:10:34 PM
I've seen this happen before, but only because it was a voltage problem.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Stickman Sham on November 04, 2013, 06:38:00 PM
If I flick the voltage switch to the left, it brings me to "Reboot and select proper boot device or install boot media" screen, the same screen that comes up if I unplug the motherboard to HDD red cord, so I infer that the board detects Windows and doesn't have a voltage problem... but I could be wrong about the voltage problem. The board requires like, a 400 watt power supply and the card requires a 300. I have 400 watt power supply, in which I am SUPER lucky for deciding to go with 100 extra watts; but then what is my problem?


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Sean on November 04, 2013, 07:34:30 PM
Did this happen after installing Windows or are you trying to boot up an old Windows installation?


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Moonkey on November 04, 2013, 08:03:53 PM
lol. Silly question, but is a flashdrive plugged into the computer?


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Stickman Sham on November 05, 2013, 02:15:56 PM
1. This is the same version of windows that my computer has run on before the update - Windows XP, and I didn't upgrade to any extent.

2. There is no flash drive in

Overall, I only have the VGA cord plugged into the video card, the keyboard and the power cord with no flash drives in, and if I am not mistaken, Windows XP is on the hard drive. I am going to try taking out the video card and using the onboard card, then I'll post my results.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Stickman Sham on November 05, 2013, 08:11:04 PM
Same results, so its not a video card problem, the cpu isn't the problem, and all of the hardware/software worked previous to the upgrade... Art thou any alternative problems?


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 05, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
Something got fried? I doubt it but idk this world anymore, the most unreasonable stuff works and makes sense etc.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: pspeed on November 05, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
If the old version Windows XP had motherboard drivers installed (common) then it may be failing to run on the new motherboard.  A windows reinstall may be in order.

Personally, I'd never expect a particular Windows configuration to survive a motherboard upgrade.

P.S.: One thing I've done in the past is film the startup sequence with my phone camera so that I can pause it and see what the flashing screens say.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 06, 2013, 05:47:13 AM
If the old version Windows XP had motherboard drivers installed (common) then it may be failing to run on the new motherboard.  A windows reinstall may be in order.

Personally, I'd never expect a particular Windows configuration to survive a motherboard upgrade.
Well that's crap.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Stickman Sham on November 06, 2013, 08:31:44 PM
I am going to reinstall windows XP then... Or get Vista or 2000. Which ever one out of the 3 that would be best. I am going to torrent the install to a disk, or just blatantly find a non torrent down load. (Search: windows xp download -torrent)


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 06, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
I am going to reinstall windows XP then... Or get Vista or 2000. Which ever one out of the 3 that would be best. I am going to torrent the install to a disk, or just blatantly find a non torrent down load. (Search: windows xp download -torrent)


Erm.. get win7, it's better. And just to tell you don't go around telling people you are going to torrent stuff, the NSA will be all over you xD


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Stickman Sham on November 07, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
ew... windows 7


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: pspeed on November 07, 2013, 02:53:04 PM
ew... windows 7

Yeah, it sucks... I scream at its file explorer every day.  Stupid in a 100 ways.

But XP is already end-of-lifed... so it's days are numbered.  Win8 and Windows Vista are the abominations.  Hopefully we'll be running Linux and/or Steam boxes by the time we're forced to move to something after win7. ;)


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 07, 2013, 03:20:33 PM
ew... windows 7

Yeah, it sucks... I scream at its file explorer every day.  Stupid in a 100 ways.

But XP is already end-of-lifed... so it's days are numbered.  Win8 and Windows Vista are the abominations.  Hopefully we'll be running Linux and/or Steam boxes by the time we're forced to move to something after win7. ;)
I like the features of it, not really the graphics. Set it to windows classic and you're good to go.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: belgariad87 on November 07, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
whats wrong with windows 7? windows 8 sucks, but 7 i felt was a decent sequal to xp.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Sean on November 07, 2013, 04:48:37 PM
whats wrong with windows 7? windows 8 sucks, but 7 i felt was a decent sequal to xp.
It's not ugly enough for Paul :)


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 07, 2013, 05:26:14 PM
whats wrong with windows 7? windows 8 sucks, but 7 i felt was a decent sequal to xp.
It was a great sequel for vista (considering vista was crap).


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: pspeed on November 07, 2013, 07:37:30 PM
whats wrong with windows 7? windows 8 sucks, but 7 i felt was a decent sequal to xp.

I spend a lot of time in the file explorer and it's just abysmal.  Things jump around before I can click on them.  The mouse wheel never works in the window I expect it to.  There is no "parent directory" button.  I want to carve it out of the OS's heart with a spoon.  I find new ways to hate it almost every time I'm forced to open it... but the tree jumping around thing is the most annoying.  Go to click on something and the whole tree moves before you click so then you click on the wrong thing.  Then sometimes I have to click multiple times to get it to register.  Or the fun one, right-click-New->Folder... Folder... Folder, hold mouse extremely still Folder.  I said "FOLDER!"  Grr...

It's the one thing I miss from XP and that file explorer wasn't great either. (Open directory and have it take five minutes to unlock your screen because one of the next level subdirectories has a lot of files... just atrocious programming going on in there.)  But at least I could click on stuff.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Moonkey on November 08, 2013, 12:38:39 AM
whats wrong with windows 7? windows 8 sucks, but 7 i felt was a decent sequal to xp.

I spend a lot of time in the file explorer and it's just abysmal.  Things jump around before I can click on them.  The mouse wheel never works in the window I expect it to.  There is no "parent directory" button.  I want to carve it out of the OS's heart with a spoon.  I find new ways to hate it almost every time I'm forced to open it... but the tree jumping around thing is the most annoying.  Go to click on something and the whole tree moves before you click so then you click on the wrong thing.  Then sometimes I have to click multiple times to get it to register.  Or the fun one, right-click-New->Folder... Folder... Folder, hold mouse extremely still Folder.  I said "FOLDER!"  Grr...

It's the one thing I miss from XP and that file explorer wasn't great either. (Open directory and have it take five minutes to unlock your screen because one of the next level subdirectories has a lot of files... just atrocious programming going on in there.)  But at least I could click on stuff.
Sounds to me like you're dealing with OS lag. I've lived with it for so long; I almost didn't understand what you said. Hehehe... I hate the file explorer in Win7 too. It's very slow.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 08, 2013, 05:42:29 AM
Sounds to me like you're dealing with OS lag. I've lived with it for so long; I almost didn't understand what you said. Hehehe... I hate the file explorer in Win7 too. It's very slow.

That's weird, I don't ever seem to have lag with the explorer, the only problems that I encounter "slow loading" is when a folder is full of a lot of data, or the computer just started up.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: pspeed on November 08, 2013, 06:34:37 AM
Sounds to me like you're dealing with OS lag. I've lived with it for so long; I almost didn't understand what you said. Hehehe... I hate the file explorer in Win7 too. It's very slow.

That's weird, I don't ever seem to have lag with the explorer, the only problems that I encounter "slow loading" is when a folder is full of a lot of data, or the computer just started up.

Yeah, the file explorer itself seems quite fast... it just doesn't always accept my clicks (even though the underline highlights, etc.) and the explorer tree jumps all over the place for no apparent reason other than that I guess it's loading other parts of the tree and decides it needs to lay out differently.  It's way of going about it is frustrating.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Stickman Sham on November 08, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
Windows XP is just... I love it out of all of the other OS choices. Windows 7 drives me insane over its lack of "permission" limiting you to doing NOTHING AT ALL because you need PERMISSION from the SYSTEM OWNER, but god forbid the system owner isn't connected to a central network of accounts. (I'M NOT A SCHOOL, WINDOWS 7) Even worse than windows 7 is windows 7 starter edition... not even going to go there.
Windows XP isn't total crap and it balances the original windows 98/2000 and windows vista feel. The shininess of vista/7 only cloaks the lack of control... but thank god its shiny.
XP


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 08, 2013, 03:52:51 PM
Windows XP is just... I love it out of all of the other OS choices. Windows 7 drives me insane over its lack of "permission" limiting you to doing NOTHING AT ALL because you need PERMISSION from the SYSTEM OWNER, but god forbid the system owner isn't connected to a central network of accounts. (I'M NOT A SCHOOL, WINDOWS 7) Even worse than windows 7 is windows 7 starter edition... not even going to go there.
Windows XP isn't total crap and it balances the original windows 98/2000 and windows vista feel. The shininess of vista/7 only cloaks the lack of control... but thank god its shiny.
I only see the lack of permission in vista; don't get me wrong, I love windows XP, its features are just a little out-dated for me. I want a new version of windows that is basically a power-up of windows xp (graphics and layout, not saying it isn't bad).


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Sean on November 08, 2013, 07:21:33 PM
Windows XP is just... I love it out of all of the other OS choices. Windows 7 drives me insane over its lack of "permission" limiting you to doing NOTHING AT ALL because you need PERMISSION from the SYSTEM OWNER, but god forbid the system owner isn't connected to a central network of accounts. (I'M NOT A SCHOOL, WINDOWS 7) Even worse than windows 7 is windows 7 starter edition... not even going to go there.
Windows XP isn't total crap and it balances the original windows 98/2000 and windows vista feel. The shininess of vista/7 only cloaks the lack of control... but thank god its shiny.
XP
Running as an administer is the number one reason why people get viruses on Windows. If anything what you described makes Windows XP a more vulnerable operating system (Well technically it already is but lets not go there).


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: pspeed on November 08, 2013, 10:52:58 PM
Of the Windows OSes, I too prefer XP.  It was a nice upgrade over 2000 and nicely sidestepped the 95/98 abominations.

Basically, it was Windows 2000 with a better driver model and cartoony window look and feel that you could turn off.

MS has accumulated a lot of cruft over the years and their internal departments are scared of fixing things.  This means that new features (like in post XP OSes) tend to be bolted on and the integration is left kind of buggy.  Yeah, it's great that my display driver can't bring down the whole OS... on the other hand, my display drivers in XP never crashed but on my Win7 box they crash several times a week some months.  On average, I'm forced to reboot my Win7 box about three times more often than my XP box.  The security features are very obtrusive and feel like they are designed more to make the user feel safe than actually BE safe.  They are still just end-running around a swiss-cheese kernel and user permission system that really hasn't changed since Windows NT.  Popping up a "Are you sure you want to run this?" message for everything only means I'm going to get used to clicking "Yes" by habit.  My guess is that that some future version of the OS will start asking you twice instead of once just to get around this "flaw".

All that being said, on XP when I'm surfing the less-safe sides of the web, I always do so in a VM.  I'm less afraid on my win7 box... though partially that's also because I have company-provided anti-virus there and I'm completely anti-virus free on my XP box (and always have been).

I'm also willing to cede that some of my Win7 hatred may be due to the company-provided image with all the corporate-mandated doohickeys installed and configured for me.  Except I don't think I can blame IT for the crap file explorer.  Just horrible.


Title: Re: Final stage of computer upgrading
Post by: Michael on November 09, 2013, 08:23:05 AM
I may have to agree with that statement as well.