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Title: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 03, 2012, 07:15:13 PM
Im just curious as to what everyone is going to pick. Also if you are thinking as far ahead....or just excited enough, to come up with a back story....what is it

Ill post mine when I get a chance on my comp


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Michael on October 03, 2012, 07:29:08 PM
I feel like sticking to human at the moment. I like things that will "stick to the ground" for some odd reason. I may choose dwarf or reptilian though.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: ap0r on October 03, 2012, 07:39:43 PM
Elf :D for da magick


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 03, 2012, 08:25:16 PM
I change my mind all the time.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: FutureB on October 03, 2012, 08:50:35 PM
avian so i can fly around building tall amazing towers even tho i wont be able to carry the blocks i hope some magic can help :P


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 03, 2012, 08:59:59 PM
avian so i can fly around building tall amazing towers even tho i wont be able to carry the blocks i hope some magic can help :P

For players, raw materials are essentially weightless.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: BenKenobiWan on October 03, 2012, 09:04:20 PM
I voted reptilian, but I like avian, simian and elf, too. I might go with dwarves, humans or pantherians as well. BP


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 03, 2012, 09:55:18 PM
I voted reptilian, but I like avian, simian and elf, too. I might go with dwarves, humans or pantherians as well. BP

I think it's nice that we have trouble deciding.  It's a good sign.

I hope it is still as tough a choice once the races are implemented... then I will have had 100% success in my balancing goals. :)


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: belgariad87 on October 04, 2012, 04:21:47 AM
I voted reptilian, but I like avian, simian and elf, too. I might go with dwarves, humans or pantherians as well. BP

I think it's nice that we have trouble deciding.  It's a good sign.

I hope it is still as tough a choice once the races are implemented... then I will have had 100% success in my balancing goals. :)
It will be pretty awesome once you implement races period, balanced or otherwise  :) since by that time we would have some character models and AI, more likely than not.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: BigredRm on October 04, 2012, 05:08:59 AM
Dwarf for mining


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 04, 2012, 05:27:26 AM
havent gotten time yet to do the backstory but i'm leaning towards a few different races. but i chose simian for now just simply because i LOVE to craft things and with the backstory of simians, they just seem like the ones for me.

i'm also leaning towards dwarf, for the mining aspect of it, or the pantherians....well because they just sound cool lol


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Tsuku on October 04, 2012, 08:59:38 AM
Probably go human for role-playing purposes. I think theyd be the my favorite for a sailor or an aeronaut, which I desperately love playing! haha


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 04, 2012, 11:09:04 AM
Probably go human for role-playing purposes. I think theyd be the my favorite for a sailor or an aeronaut, which I desperately love playing! haha

One of the character diaries I've outline is about an Avian who was wounded to the point where he couldn't fly.  When this happens an Avian is kicked out of the tribe.  They have no tolerance for ground-bound brethren.

His story arc involves getting signed on to an airship crew.  His knowledge of aero-navigation and the ability to predict the weather earns him a nice spot on the crew.  Eventually he decides he wants to captain his own airship and crew it with only other excommunicated Avians that he's met.  Getting from "just what he's carrying" to "owning/operating an air ship" should be an interesting set of stories.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: belgariad87 on October 04, 2012, 11:12:09 AM
Probably go human for role-playing purposes. I think theyd be the my favorite for a sailor or an aeronaut, which I desperately love playing! haha

One of the character diaries I've outline is about an Avian who was wounded to the point where he couldn't fly.  When this happens an Avian is kicked out of the tribe.  They have no tolerance for ground-bound brethren.

His story arc involves getting signed on to an airship crew.  His knowledge of aero-navigation and the ability to predict the weather earns him a nice spot on the crew.  Eventually he decides he wants to captain his own airship and crew it with only other excommunicated Avians that he's met.  Getting from "just what he's carrying" to "owning/operating an air ship" should be an interesting set of stories.
i have so many ideas and dreams to do when this game comes out. i will almost definitely make a youtube series  :) of some kind or another.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: FutureB on October 04, 2012, 12:36:15 PM
Probably go human for role-playing purposes. I think theyd be the my favorite for a sailor or an aeronaut, which I desperately love playing! haha

One of the character diaries I've outline is about an Avian who was wounded to the point where he couldn't fly.  When this happens an Avian is kicked out of the tribe.  They have no tolerance for ground-bound brethren.

His story arc involves getting signed on to an airship crew.  His knowledge of aero-navigation and the ability to predict the weather earns him a nice spot on the crew.  Eventually he decides he wants to captain his own airship and crew it with only other excommunicated Avians that he's met.  Getting from "just what he's carrying" to "owning/operating an air ship" should be an interesting set of stories.
And then when he is captain he flys to his old town and shoots/slashes the wings of the people who made him leave outta hatred. lol


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 04, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
And then when he is captain he flys to his old town and shoots/slashes the wings of the people who made him leave outta hatred. lol

LOL.  The revenge angle wasn't really what I had in mind so much as helping his fellow cast-offs get back into flying somehow.

...but it is funny to think.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Moonkey on October 04, 2012, 09:36:44 PM
And to think of the stories you will miss within the real game. *Something amazing happens in the town next to you, but you pass.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Tsuku on October 08, 2012, 02:17:12 AM

One of the character diaries I've outline is about an Avian who was wounded to the point where he couldn't fly.  When this happens an Avian is kicked out of the tribe.  They have no tolerance for ground-bound brethren.

His story arc involves getting signed on to an airship crew.  His knowledge of aero-navigation and the ability to predict the weather earns him a nice spot on the crew.  Eventually he decides he wants to captain his own airship and crew it with only other excommunicated Avians that he's met.  Getting from "just what he's carrying" to "owning/operating an air ship" should be an interesting set of stories.

Haha yeah, but I'd still go human for the sake of unremarkability. One of my favorite things in a game is to blend in and observe; not being the world-saving hero, just playing as a wanderer, going from town to town. Games which allow you to do that are my absolute favorites. If a game can be fun even without all the bombast of "kill the dragon save the maiden!" then I think it's a hit. From the backstory of your character in this game, it might be really fun to play a kind of trans-dimensional G-man, or equalizer haha. Just thoughts though...


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: belgariad87 on October 08, 2012, 04:02:23 AM

One of the character diaries I've outline is about an Avian who was wounded to the point where he couldn't fly.  When this happens an Avian is kicked out of the tribe.  They have no tolerance for ground-bound brethren.

His story arc involves getting signed on to an airship crew.  His knowledge of aero-navigation and the ability to predict the weather earns him a nice spot on the crew.  Eventually he decides he wants to captain his own airship and crew it with only other excommunicated Avians that he's met.  Getting from "just what he's carrying" to "owning/operating an air ship" should be an interesting set of stories.

Haha yeah, but I'd still go human for the sake of unremarkability. One of my favorite things in a game is to blend in and observe; not being the world-saving hero, just playing as a wanderer, going from town to town. Games which allow you to do that are my absolute favorites. If a game can be fun even without all the bombast of "kill the dragon save the maiden!" then I think it's a hit. From the backstory of your character in this game, it might be really fun to play a kind of trans-dimensional G-man, or equalizer haha. Just thoughts though...

I agree completely


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 08:15:54 AM
To me I see all races as having the same "remarkablility"

Humans, while looking normal in our own society, may not in mythruna. If I remember correctly, they are explorers, and try and spread around. So while being diverse, a human found near any of the orher mythrunic cultural societies, they may be remarkable. A flying human in avian society would be noticed for sure.



Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Tsuku on October 08, 2012, 09:24:00 AM
Possibly, but it also says something about how most surface cities will be human in origin. And if humans are indeed so motivated to explore, surely a human traveller will be unremarkable in most places they go?

A traveller shakes the snow off his dirty, hooded cloak as he shuffles into a nameless inn. He lowers himself wearily onto a seat, and leans his pock-marked bastard sword against the table; it's almost dull and slowly going to rust, but it makes a passable walking stick. He calls to the barmaid for a beer, then lays back and listens to the buzz of conversation as he dozes off.

That's what I wanna play haha. Screw being the Dragonborn.  ;D


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 09:32:10 AM
The wind rushes into the warm, stale tavern as the traveler makes his way out of the cold. Mostly hidden within his cloth cloak, he still reeks of human. The tavern patrons sniff the air, and with their acute Pantherian sense of smell, feel hatred upon him for his intrusion. Conversations cease, and one by one the patrons slowly start to leave.



depending on the area/culture of the environment, regardless of race, people will react differently. A secretive society will try and stay away from outsiders, while a more open society will ignore them, and a culture where they have been cut off from others may even put that outsider as a special guest and bug the hell out of them lol

not to say you cant play the way you want, thats what makes this game interesting, i'm just saying dont think just because your human you will be seen as insignificant when it may just turn out the opposite


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 08, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
If it's a tavern in a town then it will be run by humans or simians.  If there are a large number of pantherians in a town then it's because they were displaced from their normal hunting grounds or something.  They are nomads who generally live in animal skin huts, etc... at least in the warm months.

The cities and towns are the cultural mixing centers.  Nearly all races will show up there from time to time for various reasons but it's the humans and simians that are town builders.  In general, the other races will behave in cities and towns because they are there for a reason and probably accustomed to the atmosphere.  This would be the most likely place that a human might make friends with other races.

Pantherians will be unlikely to welcome strangers into their camp... especially those of other races.  A reptilian trying to enter a pantherian camp would probably be killed without even a question.  A pantherian with the wrong kind of skin markings might receive similar treatment. If they deal enough with humans then they might tolerate your presence... but they would be suspicious and curious to your purpose.  The longer you stay (unless you are friends) the more agitated they will become.  They are more likely to forcefully expel you than to kill you, though.

Reptilians will be even less likely to welcome strangers if you are a different race.  They are more accepting of their own kind than pantherians because the reptilians generally do not war with one another.  If a reptlian village does welcome you then you should sleep with one eye open because you might be their next meal.  If you actually find a reptilian city then they are more civilized and more accepting... though generally these will be underwater cities and you'd have to find some way to breathe.

You will be unlikely to find an avian camp on your own (they move daily) and an avian aerie will be heavily guarded and strangers are absolutely not allowed under any circumstances.  They are paranoid and dogmatic in general and the place where they raise their children up to flying age is where they are most vulnerable.

Simians and humans have no problems entering each others' towns.  It's a bit like visiting a foreign country here.  You might see some prejudice but just as likely there will be people who want to meet you just because you are interesting to them (they like your accent or are interested in your ears, hair, etc.)

Dwarves will trade with humans and simians but they will have special designated areas of their underground cities where you are allowed to go.  The rest will be off limits.  They have no time for reptilians or pantherians.  They sometimes have a tenuous relationship with avians.

Elves will not let you into their village unless you are also an elf.  They won't be mean about it but they will forcefully uphold that rule if necessary.  It's similar to the dwarves.  There are some places you are not allowed to be... and in this case it is "everywhere".  They will have meeting areas outside of their villages.  The larger elven villages may even have guest huts.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 11:44:20 AM
I find it odd truly that the majority is set to human (according to this poll) im willing to try all races, but simian are probably the one I will consider my "main"

And thank you paul for that run down on social cultures for the races


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Tsuku on October 08, 2012, 11:57:32 AM
Hehe man, the races sound uber-insular. I think I might have to start a pro-human crusade. Purge the unclean etc. :P Actually, since there are no orcs, will the reptilians be the horde forming race, with mass war parties etc?


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 08, 2012, 12:12:02 PM
Hehe man, the races sound uber-insular. I think I might have to start a pro-human crusade. Purge the unclean etc. :P Actually, since there are no orcs, will the reptilians be the horde forming race, with mass war parties etc?

There may be other orc-like races, perhaps less civilized... these are just the playable races.

One thing to remember is that the bulk of the reptilian race is basically on the decline.  They live in small self-sufficient communities in general.  It would take a bunch of separate tribes banding together to form any sizable army... which could happen.  Numerous examples in our own history show this.  In the right element, reptilians _would_ be a nasty force to deal with.

Another thing to remember, until humans started exploring and expanding, the other races basically had nothing to do with one another.  And some of the races still aren't very happy to change.  Now, Mythrunian humans were nicer about this expansion than earth-humans were, historically... they were never a large enough force to just conquer things outright and it would have been pretty bloody anyway.  So it's not like they purposely displaced large populations of indigenous peoples... but that doesn't mean that some didn't move anyway once the new neighbors showed up.

There is an eighth unplayable race that I'm keeping secret.  (There is no eighth race.  Move along.)  They are known as "the whispers" in legend and are universally agreed upon to be "the bad guys" by all of the other races.  In modern Mythrunian times, these have been relegated to scary stories told to children.  Events may transpire that bring them back... and I've already said too much.  (There is no eighth race.  I don't know what he's talking about.)


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 01:31:10 PM
Any clue when we can get a cultural socialogical breakdown of each race

In other words, who is the big boss of each race

Such as: king ironheft (dwarf)
       Queen aerithin (elf)

Etc etc....yes I just through any name out, dont care if they sound crappy


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 08, 2012, 01:41:15 PM
Any clue when we can get a cultural socialogical breakdown of each race

In other words, who is the big boss of each race

Such as: king ironheft (dwarf)
       Queen aerithin (elf)

Etc etc....yes I just through any name out, dont care if they sound crappy

I don't understand exactly.  Names would be different on every generated world, for example.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 02:07:36 PM
I was just curious if each race had its own government


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Tsuku on October 08, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
So... is there any chance that an invasion or race war could happen? Say a bunch of human towns spawned near a bunch of reptilians; if they end up competing for space, hunting grounds, would it be possible that they could end up warring? Haha the whispers... a suitably ominous name.  :D "behold, in darkness, a doom sweeps the land." hehe

Iggyjeckel, did you mean how would the governments for races be organised? Like, with a shaman and hetman for reptilians, or a king or parliament for humans? 'Cause I'm curious about that too...


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 02:57:14 PM
yes, so if like you visit a simian town, should you visit the old silverback and introduce yourself. or is it just an open utopian society in which everyone is in charge of themselves


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Sean on October 08, 2012, 03:51:36 PM
Pantherian ;)


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 08, 2012, 05:04:04 PM
Whatever state the world is in when you get there, it's been like that for a hundred years or so... the theory is that there is a relative balance.  Events might tip things after... but if you find a reptilian village right next to a human city then they get along.  Those will be the friendliest, non-mammal-flesh-eating, reptilians you've ever met.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 05:15:51 PM
I guess what I was trying to ask is, is there a form of government within each race, so if you enter a village is there a leader among those people


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 08, 2012, 05:28:26 PM
I guess what I was trying to ask is, is there a form of government within each race, so if you enter a village is there a leader among those people

Yes, for the tribal cultures like pantherians, reptilians, and avians, there will be the equivalent of a chieftain.  A reptilian city would have a council-based government similar to humans and simians.  Also, in contrast to tribes, a reptilian city would be generally run by the non-warrior subtype where as tribal villages are almost always run by "the strongest", ie: a warrior subtype.

Pantherians sort of elect their chiefs.

Avians it is passed down through bloodlines.

Dwarves have kings and queens... this is also bloodline related.  There is a council of ministers overseen by the ruling monarch and a king's power is not absolute.

Elves have an elected village council and keep a loose association with other elven tribes.

Humans and simians fully share government in general and have local magistrates that may or may not be arranged in a hierarchy of smaller city/town states.  Among the trading cultures, "The Triad" is the effective global rule.  These three trade guilds (farming, industry, and shipping (if I remember right)) formed "The Triad" to keep commerce flowing across the world even in times of war or disaster.  They have enough influence to force a common tongue and basic laws and rights across the towns and cities.  Only the most self-sufficient towns would ever think of shunning the triad's influence.  It is a largely beneficial relationship for all involved as the triad is who will send your town aid if there is a major issue and they will help relocate refugees should an entire populace be forced to move.

(Note: it is not at all a coincidence that the triad is pretty much doing exactly what the "global resource system" I'm coding is doing.  There is a force in the world that tries to manage the world back into balance... so I pulled "The Triad" from one of my old pencil+paper roleplaying worlds to give it a face and a name.  If you are running a town, these are the guilds you interface with for your imports and exports.  This is where you pay your taxes... and this is where you go for help (loans, etc.) should a dragon squash all of your stores and leave you starting over a winter.)


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
Cool, thank you for the info, sorry for the cryptic questions sometimes. If I start getting into fantasy frame if mind its hard to switch to normal language


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 08, 2012, 06:02:18 PM
Cool, thank you for the info, sorry for the cryptic questions sometimes. If I start getting into fantasy frame if mind its hard to switch to normal language

Nah, you weren't being cryptic.  I just wanted to make sure there was no confusion about how much of the different worlds is fixed versus how much is generated.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on October 08, 2012, 06:59:54 PM
The only reason I was curious is because im writing my own collection of information regarding various topics...in case anyone has questions and dont want to search forums....and to possibly help the wiki

But anyways, thought this would be a great time for a bit more on races lol




Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on October 08, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
The only reason I was curious is because im writing my own collection of information regarding various topics...in case anyone has questions and dont want to search forums....and to possibly help the wiki

But anyways, thought this would be a great time for a bit more on races lol


When I have more sample pictures, I will do full write-ups on the races.  In the mean time, it's good to be collecting information. :)


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: JKybett on December 09, 2012, 03:04:22 PM
So, would this be the place to post a backstory?


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: JKybett on December 09, 2012, 03:14:34 PM
lol. Can't even play yet (My laptop's buggered for games. Getting myself a new one next year) and I know what I want my Backstory to be :L


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: BenKenobiWan on December 09, 2012, 05:32:54 PM
Backstory? Currently the game is in an effective creative mode until physics and AI are finished. We did try to do a Mythruna forum RP, but that died off a while back (because it's my turn...)


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Iggyjeckel on December 09, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
Yes, get to posting on it lol


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: Sean on December 09, 2012, 06:38:42 PM
If you want back stories then watch/read Game of Thrones. :)


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: JKybett on December 10, 2012, 11:43:10 AM
Backstory? Currently the game is in an effective creative mode until physics and AI are finished. We did try to do a Mythruna forum RP, but that died off a while back (because it's my turn...)
What I meant is that, with this being an RPG game (when finished) it's always more fun if you give your character.... a character. And also,
Im just curious as to what everyone is going to pick. Also if you are thinking as far ahead....or just excited enough, to come up with a back story....what is it

Ill post mine when I get a chance on my comp
I already have an idea in mind for 'who' I want to be in this game. Was wondering if a)people wanna hear? b)This is where to post it?


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: BenKenobiWan on December 10, 2012, 12:01:32 PM
I'd be glad to read it, and posting it here would probably be fine (we don't have very strict rules on these forums :P)
If it's very long you could just put a summary on here and start a new thread for the whole thing.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: JKybett on December 10, 2012, 01:03:35 PM
See, now I feel like I'll look stupid if I'm the only one posting a backstory :L


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: BenKenobiWan on December 10, 2012, 01:38:03 PM
See, now I feel like I'll look stupid if I'm the only one posting a backstory :L
That, or you inspire some of us to write our own stories.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on December 10, 2012, 02:20:21 PM
Backstory? Currently the game is in an effective creative mode until physics and AI are finished. We did try to do a Mythruna forum RP, but that died off a while back (because it's my turn...)
What I meant is that, with this being an RPG game (when finished) it's always more fun if you give your character.... a character. And also,

I agree... and to the extent that I can and it makes sense to, I will support a certain amount of this "in game".  Perhaps even as part of character creation if I know enough about the world at that point.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: belgariad87 on December 10, 2012, 03:01:11 PM
Backstory? Currently the game is in an effective creative mode until physics and AI are finished. We did try to do a Mythruna forum RP, but that died off a while back (because it's my turn...)
What I meant is that, with this being an RPG game (when finished) it's always more fun if you give your character.... a character. And also,

I agree... and to the extent that I can and it makes sense to, I will support a certain amount of this "in game".  Perhaps even as part of character creation if I know enough about the world at that point.
well it is *your* world. just think about it when your bored or driving or something and jot down ideas as they come. eventually you will have quite the multiverse to boast, by the time the rest is done.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on December 10, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
Backstory? Currently the game is in an effective creative mode until physics and AI are finished. We did try to do a Mythruna forum RP, but that died off a while back (because it's my turn...)
What I meant is that, with this being an RPG game (when finished) it's always more fun if you give your character.... a character. And also,

I agree... and to the extent that I can and it makes sense to, I will support a certain amount of this "in game".  Perhaps even as part of character creation if I know enough about the world at that point.
well it is *your* world. just think about it when your bored or driving or something and jot down ideas as they come. eventually you will have quite the multiverse to boast, by the time the rest is done.

No, I mean I don't know how much of the "random" world will be available during character creation time.  I will know the immediate towns around spawn and stuff but I don't know if I will be able to find specific types of towns easily.

For example, if you were creating a dwarf and you wanted to specify your home town, parents, etc. or something.  I don't know if I will have enough information to allow that at character creation time.


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: belgariad87 on December 10, 2012, 03:23:49 PM
No, I mean I don't know how much of the "random" world will be available during character creation time.  I will know the immediate towns around spawn and stuff but I don't know if I will be able to find specific types of towns easily.

For example, if you were creating a dwarf and you wanted to specify your home town, parents, etc. or something.  I don't know if I will have enough information to allow that at character creation time.
ohhh ok. well that's just a bit in depth. isn't the story that mythruna's worlds were broken apart into shards of reality (or something)? some things depend on when exactly that shattering happened


Title: Re: What will your story be?
Post by: pspeed on December 10, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
No, I mean I don't know how much of the "random" world will be available during character creation time.  I will know the immediate towns around spawn and stuff but I don't know if I will be able to find specific types of towns easily.

For example, if you were creating a dwarf and you wanted to specify your home town, parents, etc. or something.  I don't know if I will have enough information to allow that at character creation time.
ohhh ok. well that's just a bit in depth. isn't the story that mythruna's worlds were broken apart into shards of reality (or something)? some things depend on when exactly that shattering happened

It happened a long long time ago.

When your character enters the world, they are likely a "made up" person.  That doesn't mean they couldn't have a valid identity in the world.  Besides, it was just an example of where the world might influence one's decisions on a back story.