Mythruna

I found a very disturbing file called "veronica-giggles" in the sound folder in the assets.jar. It is the harbinger of the end of the world.

And cupcakes.

Lots of cupcakes.

It's a hilarious file, I'll give it that.

Yeah, that file has been spotted by a few users some time ago.
Here: http://mythruna.com/forum/index.php?topic=904.msg5646#msg5646 (http://mythruna.com/forum/index.php?topic=904.msg5646#msg5646)
And here: http://mythruna.com/forum/index.php?topic=1522.msg13804#msg13804 (http://mythruna.com/forum/index.php?topic=1522.msg13804#msg13804)

Kind of an easter egg left there from Paul.

Or maybe it's foreshadowing the main antagonist! :O

Think about it. Who WOULDN'T make their kids the main antagonist? xD

Hahhh, I remember talking about that file. That giggling is so cute. Edit: To this day I hurt looking at my comments. I can't believe I preferred Winrar that much in that one thread. It's like reading something from a different person.

I prefer winrar... Because I'm too lazy to switch. xD

I use 7zip.. since it's free..

(https://trisquel.info/files/richard%20stallman.jpg)

How I could I remove my little girls laugh now that people know about it?  :)

...in fact, maybe I will have to make sure to move it to the new build.

Make the most dangerous mob use that sound for lulz.

Have a giant worm creature that lives in the ground that will try to eat you alive that giggles liked that and has her face on it xD

I will not be putting my little girl's face on a worm.  :P

Make a tickle monster that turns other people into tickle monsters and instakills.

And make sure it looks innocent and adorable.

Is this Mythruna or Time Splitters 2 Virus gamemode.

This is a serious discussion about the future of this game. >:/

Heheh... maybe I'll let her design the creature herself.  I'm sure she will have plenty of ideas.

I can't wait for concept art for the little girl laugh huggable monster of DOOM!  ;D

Oh my god this is going to be amazing.

Actually, my son had a pretty good idea for an easter egg related to pets.  We'll see.

Wait have pets been talked about on the forum I don't remember.  :-\

I don't know... but there will definitely be pets.

We've talked about familiars that follow you around a few times. You might have to dig around to find them.

I found the wyrmling thing, but idk. Having an ally that's dumb as a ton of bricks never sat well with me I guess...

I keep thinking that, perhaps, you could pierce a dragon with a large/powerful gravity crystal when it is weakened. While conventional ideas of gravity would surmise that the dragon would be crushed into a ball of meat, there is 'magic-like energy' involved. It'd probably work similar to a shrink ray or something, and once the crystal is depleted maybe it becomes an energy sink and vastly weakens the dragon's abilities(so you don't have an overpowered familiar). I just never liked the idea of the "you have to kill it or leave" scenario, I guess. Hell, if you could beat everything in Mythruna into submission that'd be incredible. (Of course, the relationship would evolve and stuff, fear becomes respect and understanding and stuff)

Perhaps, even, you could create a 'family' using familiars that you can teach jobs or something to?  It'd be cool coming home to find your familiars fetching ingredients for supper or something, and a duo cutting and hauling firewood somehow. And of course, when another familiar passes away seeing familiars close to the dead familiar mourning when they find out would be cool(Or stricken with fear if you executed the familiar in front of them).

As you may have figured out, I'm not a huge fan of killing pixels, for whatever reason. Emotional elements like those have never seen daylight in any dynamic game, ever, though, so it may be worth some consideration.

I don't know anything about wyrmlings or whatever.  Pets will be more typical than that.

And if I allow players to tame dragons then maybe I should allow the ants to tame the players, too.... makes about as much sense. ;)

Well, if you cripple anything they're less inclined to disobey you, lest they face the same consequences again. A crippled dragon may well be more privy to that fact than anything. It's like taking a prisoner and torturing it, then telling it to complete tasks. There is a great deal of fear that brings with it compliance,as is the case with some prisons today, even. I can imagine coping with a greater gravity crystal crushing your insides, even for a few moments would be excruciating, and being in a weaker state, these intelligent beings would understand further reprimanding may be even more... unsavory. It's brutal, but I digress.

Mention of wyrmlings was indeed made by you in this quote:


I understand if you wouldn't remember something of such vintage.

The "not smart" in this case doesn't mean "dumb".  Dragons are WAAAAAAY smarter than you.

And if you can come up with a scenario where an ant could realistically tame you, I would consider making a humans able to tame dragons.  I think you all underestimate how powerful dragons are supposed to be.  "Can we tame the weather indefinitely?"  "probably not."

Well, when you say tame, that means, essentially, to eliminate the danger of an organism  to ones self or one's species. An ant can actually do this, quite simply, by eliminating other pest species; as they already do.

There is an obvious cause and effect display when they move in. They eliminate many pest species such as termites, certain larval organisms, ticks, boll weavils, flea larvae, cockroach eggs, moth and butterfly species(including the cane borer and cotton preying species), spiders, and MICE. In addition, they aerate the soil  AND transport nutrients through their colonies which greatly improves the health of crops. In addition, ants are decomposers which means dead bodies have less time to poison their surroundings. They also transport seeds from various herbs, including medicinal herbs(meaning more ants = more herbs and medicine). Lastly, they are able to pollinate low lying, flowering plants.

The key here is decomposers. Ants can take your trash, be it organic or inorganic(within reason), and get rid of it for you, while redistributing the nutrients into a nearby farm or garden. They feed and protect your produce, home, furry pets, and you.


Beyond that, though... Ants are stronger than we could ever hope to be. On their own, they can lift 50x their own weight while we can barely manage to lift our own body weight. In a way, their work ethic alone is a source of reverence. If anything, being called an ant should be an honor. They're productive, never tiring, and always in good company. Sometimes I wonder if we strive to be unique to ants at all.

Also the weather is pretty easy to manipulate, tragically(look up cloud seeding). :\

It's also worth noting that various species of ants have become symbiotes with dozens of other species. The same may well happen between them and US eventually.  Let's not forget that ant farms exist. People find ants interesting enough to literally supply a queen ant with the resources it needs to build a colony while expecting absolutely nothing in return. They don't even need to reciprocate us with affection like cats and dogs do!

But surely it's different if a dragon keeps humans as pets, right?  (ie: humans keep ants as pets)  The other way around seems much less likely.

If they are as intelligent as you say, then they wouldn't consider us as pets. Odds are they would understand our individual abilities and abilities as a society, as some of us understand ants. When raising an ant farm, though, one recognizes that the ants themselves are indifferent to your presence. We as humans are more aware, and have far more collective intelligence and many more tools at our disposal than our six legged friends. In addition, there are millions of us, networked and cooperating, while they stand alone, with no infrastructure to support themselves with, no tools, nothing. All societies on the planet are against them if the dragons are against us.

We're not indifferent. If it helps us we reciprocate. It's how we function... socially, emotionally...physically. Something that is smarter than us would see that in moments. If it attacks, we will fight. We will rain hellfire upon those that wish to do us or our friends harm. When enlightened, we also pursue intellectual endeavors and craft magnificent things with the tools we have. These accomplishments are readily displayed by people who have made a name for themselves. Master crafted armor, weapons, and brilliant use of life energy. Even then, these beasts are awakened by our hands, no? Without our intervention, I can only assume they would have been trapped in a dormant state almost indefinitely. Perhaps, though, they do not believe in reciprocation.

It's not far fetched by any means, when one considers some species on our own planet... But none of those creatures are terribly intelligent. At any rate, a being "much more intelligent" than us would understand that we're an important part of a greater whole. Just as our exterminating all ants would irreparably damage every land-based ecosystem on the planet, dragons would understand our deaths would shatter the balance of the world all the same. What happens when our energy crystals are left untended? What happens when our barrels of gunpowder break and leech into nearby lakes? What happens when vials of various poisons and pesticides are dispersed from the homes of apothecaries and alchemist dens? And what of the rotting bodies?

In Mythruna, it creates something akin to miasma, if memory serves. Dragons are powerful, but even if they do somehow survive a city of angry, crystal wielding people (That just won't stay dead!),they'd have to move somewhere else before the land starts sucking life energy out of them. Given that even in mythruna there are towns everywhere, it would be an endless cycle of killing and moving when the decay of the town starts poisoning the land.



Anywho, to answer the question, not necessarily. We indirectly interact with ants, such that they are unaware of us. There may be a way to make them aware of us, but we do not pursue their awareness. We supply them with resources and observe them. I see no reason why a dragon could not enrich the food supply and surrounding ecosystems from the shadows, while still being watchful.

However, when one of our stature seeks to have a dragon as a pet... That certainly is different. Not impossible, though. Let us review what a pet IS before continuing:

Any living thing with a nervous system is considered an animal, so one can assume that this applies. Caring for (Or perhaps catering to?) a dragon does not imply sovereignty(which I assume your rendition of them would take offense to). My logic in "taming" dragons(Though it may be more fitting to say that you're simply converting them from an opposing party) is that, by disabling them but then following the show of strength with compassion(helping them recover), you suggest that it may be more equitable to have an alliance, and they are forced to listen to your reasoning. That is not to say that they would take being abused or worked to the bone laying down, or even like you at first, but in the end, logic denotes being a productive member of society as a safety net.

It would be a delicate relationship, that I am certain of. It's because we're foolish. We'd sooner call ourselves superior because we defeated one than consider our defeated adversary as an unfortunate equal. You say that a dragon cannot be a pet, and in a sense, the way we oft interpret such things as pets you would be right. But I don't want a pet dragon the way we stigmatize the word. I have a cat sleeping next to me right now, Darcy, but I have never called her a pet. She's family, and if it came to it, I would risk my life for her. I want an ally from them, a friend, and if one wishes to deem me as such, family. If I captured one, I wouldn't seek to restrict its' freedoms or simply have it on hand for my entertainment and to do my work. I would detail societal norms and show them how to avoid causing trouble, yes, but I wouldn't be putting them on leashes or anything. Most likely, I would seek the company of a fellow intellectual from them. Any "taming" that occurs would be the byproduct of trust and respect, not the fact that I can cater to its' every need should they wish it. I didn't open a can of cat food and have Darcy cuddling with me the next day. I was patient. I listened to her cues, protected her, and was always considerate of her feelings. Hell, I'm not even the one who feeds her. I simply listened and watched, and I obeyed HER to make us inseparable.


This may or may not be relevant, but the black mamba snake is the most dangerous and aggressive snake known to man. There are a number of videos on YouTube like this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBWTGcxDGow) that show the same, intelligent snake with a completely different temperament, however.

I wonder... Do you think they'd start asking questions? I can already see it happening.

"Why do you insist on fighting everything on your own? I'm far more capable."

"Because I have cats."

"What difference do they make? They do nothing but eat your food and cause mischief."

"Well, they help me forget. Better to drown in fur than at the mouth of a bottle."

"You want to forget?"

"I don't like the battlefield, nor would you."

"You still haven't answered my original question."

"Heh, I don't think there's a cat alive that's big enough for you, that's why... That, and there are no winners."

I don't think defeating a dragon will be so simple. Unlike other games, with such super strength and might, Mythruna seems to lean towards realism in these terms. Defeating a dragon in Mythruna will be like, like Paul says, an ant defeating a human. Now... say... You have enough ants... THEN you might win!

The process isn't my focus , it's the outcome. A paragon to the renegade choice. That said, enough strong energy crystals would no doubt prove quite useful in slowing and whittling away at the strength of even the greatest beasts. Do take to mind that nothing is impossible where we are currently. Overachievers WILL seek dominance on their own. Eventually, soloing dragons may become a rite of passage as the art of dragon hunting is refined through the ages. I only wish for there to be a mutually beneficial alternative to the bloodshed, be it virtual or not. Also we respawn so we are our own infinite supply of bodies.

Also, if you're talking about the gravity crystal 'taming', that would be when you bring them down to a critical condition.