Mythruna

THE STATUE HAS BEEN COMPLETED. I'll be posting pics of it after Paul sees it.



For those that don't know, I've been working these past couple months to construct a statue. For the past couple months... any actual construction was stuck in limbo because of the world height limit... so I dug a hole to put my statue in. It wasn't actually a hole so much as it was a spot in the ocean when I found it. In a few weeks time(more like 6-8 weeks), that spot in the ocean was filled with sand and slowly dug up. If this were real life, I'd have moved 265,735 TONNES of sand! If those numbers aren't telling enough... this statue is enormous. The statue  itself will be about 400,000 blocks hollow, if memory serves

The statue project has now entered the construction prep phase! In this phase, the workspace will be polished to a silvery sheen and a special grid scaffold will be built if there are no flight mods available. The construction prep phase is a credited phase like all the others, meaning that major contributions will net you a spot on an... admittedly short helper list. Unlike the excavation phase, there is no 'technique' or 'method' that can expediate the construction in this phase significantly, so getting accredited for major contributions here is pretty easy if you're dedicated.

The construction phase has three sub-phases:
1. Wall and floor building
2. Staging
3. Scaffold construction

Wall and floor building is the subphase where you replace the rocky sides and floor of the workspace with nicer material. I'm still mulling over what exactly I want the floors and walls to be.

The staging phase is a short phase that I have to complete myself; I must identify the best place for the statue in the workspace and create the 'stage' to construct it in. The stage is really just a wireframe box... shhh...

Scaffold construction will take place if flight is not achieved. It's not optimal, but scaffolds will make it possible to construct the statue despite the setback.


That should be all the information you need for this part of the project. If helping out with a huge project like this looks like something you want to do, then sign up here. Make haste, though! This will be a very short phase compared to the excavation phase and it may last less than one week!



Some notes/info about the hole/project:

The hole is 190x286x41 meters

The statue is 120x246x118 meters

The stage will be 122x248x120 meters

Spacing is 34x20

To add onto this... This project in particular is to get Mythruna on the radar... Not as advertising, but... to let people know you can make amazing stuff here like in other voxel games.

Subphase 1 is about halfway done.

I'm honestly surprised you were able to clear all of that out.

It's all in the technique. Anyone can do it if they put their mind to it. Without technique, the excavation project would have easily taken 10x as long.

I'll probably publish my technique when I figure out how to explain it.

Also, it takes the determination and patience to even want to finish what you started. xD

As long as you have a spare keyboard, patience is optional.

i just visited your flying town - Very cool really liked jumping between all the platforms like some sort of exercise. The excavation site its larger than i expected, looking forward to seeing what you put inside, great work mate. p.s i feel so silly haha i spent about 20 minutes trying to reply to the thread about excavation only to realise that it is locked now  ;D

Weird... I didn't lock it.

I did. I didn't want people necroing the excavation thread is all.

I think I need an adult

(https://i.imgur.com/HsK4L93.png)

heh heh. Just wait until the statue gets built. :P

Now that I have seen this topic I am soo going to find somewhere to build an easter island head in the game.  Thanks for the inspiration!!

Where is this? What coordinates? I wanna see it!!

Is the coordinates 1868.72 x 114.90?  cause I think I found it.

Very weird picture. nearly crapped my pants when I saw him look up and smirk at me the first time. I was all like "what the hell?! that picture moved!!"

Gonna be honest...


... I've been playing Minecraft.

Heheh... my son and I started a new world on the PS4 Minecraft this weekend.  One of the best survival worlds we've ever started as we spawned in a big open horse field by the water.  Game was plentiful and we only had to worry about guarding three sides, really.  Found lots of iron right below our starter base, decent caves nearby in all directions.

We got it in our heads to create an underwater main base this time... that's the only hard thing we've done. :)  I also already have my patented sky base with the melon farm section (though no rooms or anything in this world as our ground base is fine so far).

I've just been... ...
http://puush.me/Moonkey/Gallery (http://puush.me/Moonkey/Gallery) Sight seeing... ;)

>:C

"We" is the abjective term here.  Things like underwater bases are often much easier in groups.
I am pretty sure if you look, you will find several half finished, still flooded under water structures all across mythruna that I got bored with part way through cause I had the same idea in my head and then realized, part way through building, that I was constructing something huge by myself that I did not have the interest or attention span to finish.
I built an underwater skyscraper shortly after starting this game only to realize it was going to be a pain in the ass to un-flood it so I just left it. Now there is a flooded glass skyscraper at the bottom of the sea near the starter town somewhere. Amongst other things I got bored with before finishing.

Well, it's much harder in minecraft survival mode because you have to find a way to breath while doing it.  So even if we want the structure just at the bottom of the sea, we have to flood the whole area with sand first and dig down.

Doors and signs create bubbles you can breathe in. Or, you can find a dungeon and create a mob grinder to get XP and start enchanting helmets until you get respiration.

The main part of the base is basically already done.  We just dropped sand down from the top and then dug it out from the bottom once the shell was in place.  It's just a giant glass box at the moment... we'll probably do something fancier with it later but I'm more keen on finding saddles for my horses now.

So the mc server I'm on allows you to trade in a stack of rare fish for one end portal block...

I probably fished up 2-3 DCs of fish. ._.

It's time I find my balance again. Today, I worked on the walls of the giant hole;converting about half of it to sand. That's probably not impressive, but that's after a month of not doing anything... working on it at all is a big deal after that kind of hiatus.

(http://i.imgur.com/9AxhWkM.png)

All that's left to do now is staging and scaffold building, as I suspect I'm going to be stuck on the ground for this one.


Perhaps it is time to admit something about this project... It's more than a statue. It's more than a subject of a story yet to be told. It's a form of elucidation, if you will. As poetic and adept I am with the English language, you'd think words would suffice in any situation of such nature, but it is not so. A glimpse into the world I see, a still life and a story congealed can, possibly, explain what I could not so long ago.

Have you figured out what you want the floor to be yet? I am just a few hundred coordinates away from 2000.

I already built the floor. :3

I seem to have forgotten what the coordinates were. I am at 2008.19 X 891.82.  Am I close?

I PM'd you

14 days.

Huh. What does that mean?

Well, that's just when the fall semester ends for me. As for what it means beyond that, even I don't know.

Ok seriously, before I had to disappear for a few weeks to get a new computer cause my old one fried due to me not having a surgeprotector attached during a storm, I wandered around for a few hours each day for 3 days trying to find this place.

Someone is going to have to log in and show me.  The coordinates I was given don't work. you go too far in one direction, the other changes up.
I get to to the low side on one side, the other side doesn't go all the way up to the point its supposed to. I go up on one side, the other side ends up being past what the lower side is supposed to be.

They never sync up to the correct coordinates.  I have no idea where this thing is but the coordinates do not work.

The coords are correct. I just spend 20 minutes getting to it just to confirm it. It would be nice if you could remove the coordinates because I'm not sure if Rayblon wants them public.

^^^

Especially since I plan to work in the statue soon. It's kind of on a need to know basis for the time being because of how the map saves and rollbacks are executed. I stand to lose way too much work with new players logging in just to wreck my build.

Note: checkpoints are automatically created at midnight... I can create them any time, though.

It occurs to me at this point that some areas probably have an unmanageable revision count. :)

D:

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131026191205/spongebob/images/c/cb/Ugliest_spongebob.jpg)

That's acually the issue, that you can only do time based rollbacks.

It's not time based. It's checkpoint based.  And a new checkpoint is automatically set every night.  But empty checkpoints don't show up in the lists.

It's the areas that have daily changes that will end up with lots of revs.

I can easily remove old checkpoints, though.  The two+ year old revisions probably aren't worth keeping around anymore, anyway.

I mean, the fact that you can't do user-targetted rollbacks for griefs. The sensitive 1-2 weeks period needed to construct the statue would be especially vulnerable if someone griefs it mid-day while I'm working on it.

But that's nearly impossible to do or would require _significant_ changes to the engine to support.  As it is, I just copy files if you change an area after the file's checkpoint.  I keep checkpoint directories of the pre-checkpoint files if they were changed post-checkpoint, for the entire world.

Doing it per user is hard because any number of users could be editing an area at the same time.  That area may not get saved for 5 seconds or more and then it's saving all of the changes since the last write.

Would be better just to protect the area with a property.

Are you offering? :P

I might be depending on the size of the area.  stronghold save spots aren't very big.

Well, there's the rub as the area is huge.  I think I remember now why it isn't protected... because I felt a little uncomfortable leasing so much of the world to one project.

How big is the area exactly?

"The hole is 190x286x41 meters

The statue is 120x246x118 meters

The stage will be 122x248x120 meters"

The stage is the important part, but protecting the entire hole is ideal ofc. It's several kilometers out so it's hard to even find it anyway.

I may be considered an idiot for suggesting this, but cant you just make multiple characters and have each make their stronghold claim around the edge of the hole?

That'd take 32 alts to do, and that's before getting into travel time.

54 by my math... to get the whole hole.

And I'd rather just have one property instead of 54 tiny ones.

That's even bigger than the enterprise, I think.

How big IS that anyway?

As I recall, it's long enough so that if you are inside the front one of the nacelles, you cannot see the back end.  And yes, for those reading, you can get inside of it... though it's hollow.  No decks or anything. :)

The sheer scale of this project baffles and amazes me...  ??? :o
Please continue, good sir; I cannot wait to see the finished product!  ;D

I'll let you know a secret -- I already have the statue prerendered, so I know exactly how it's gonna look already. ;3

You, sir, are amazing. I salute you.
Also, your signature is a thing of beauty.   ;)

I just found where this is... my mind is officially blown.  :o

Yes, it's a very majestic hole, isn't it? :p

Indeed. I cannot even fathom how long it must have taken for you to excavate such a massive thing... It is breathtaking.

50-100 hours of work iirc.

That displays an extraordinary degree of perseverance, one which I should have thought beyond any mortal man.

See how much less impressive that'd be if I'd let him script it all away?  :)

Though, saying "it took me ten seconds to make this." is also awe inspiring. ;p

Sure... but for completely different reasons. :)

I think that knowing it was done the hard way makes the sight of this enormous pit much more awe-inspiring, personally.  :)

Think of it from the perspective of power. I could literally destroy the world with a tool like that; not that I would. ;p

I should hope not. Where would you build your statue if there were no world?

My statue would BE the world! >:D

Perish the thought! What are you, the Demiurge?

... Yes. >:D

Just remember, Paul has the ability to undo anything that us mere mortals may do. So even should you succeed in destroying the world, he could simply wave his hand and put it all back. ;)

And thus, I would begin an endless cycle of destruction and reconstruction...

...

...

... Platonically.

If you let yourself get caught up in an endless cycle, then how will you finish the statue that you would have become the world?  ???

An endless loop need not be endlessly tended to. ;p

But if Paul responds by rolling things back to a checkpoint, it would undo any progress that you would have made... And then none of us would ever get to see the finished product.  :'(

Just a note: I don't intend to roll this back.  I know you were joking but I thought it a good idea to point it out.

That is... magnificent, nay, awe-inspiring!  :o

A good amount of it is corrupted too. Dammit. I'll have to take some time to repair it once i get it oriented correctly.

If this is an imperfect version, I await its ideal form with bated breath.  ;)

Might be waiting for a while at this rate, Minecraft is a terrible medium to be fixing this thing in, and it's memory leak city with this thing... but it's the best I have.

Still, if anyone has the determination to do it, I should place my bets on you.

... aaand my worlds are being corrupted from all my trial and error. Yet another roadblock.

Tbh, I'm not being driven by determination at this point. At least, it doesn't feel that way.

All I know is... Seeing what comes next... I can't afford not to care anymore. My world, the world I've known for nearly two decades is going to fade away soon; the pretense of freedom that allowed me to conceive that this was possible at all will fade with it, if I don't do it now. So... not determination, not anymore. Fear, maybe. Fear of time becoming a luxury rather than a commodity, of inadequacy, of... so many other things.

That said, I've always preferred the more tenebrous aspects of life. Though, perhaps not extinguished ambitions. heh.

My PCs main intake fan broke... Man, this is NOT my day.

Some days are just exceptionally awful, aren't they?

What software did you use to create it?

The name eludes me, but I had to convert it several times to make it a SCHEMATIC file, which is what most voxel based tools for the layman are thanks to Minecraft. The conversion was probably where the schematic was fudged up.

FORTUNATELY, the schematic still loaded(obviously) and the corruption is comparatively minimal. Five percent, at the worst. I figured out a way to easily figure out the WorldEdit rotations without pasting the statue over and over, which is nice.

0.0  I knew you were building something big but damn!! A freakin dragon?!
And where is the big water hole you supposedly made under it? I see grass and a town.

Congratulations! So, Paul, will dragons in the real game be about this big?

This isn't in Mythruna, mind you. I ported it to MC to fix a bunch of conversion errors. :p

If they were all 130 meters tall, they wouldn't fit underground. :P

True, but he did say that they would be fairly massive beasts, and they would not be posed like yours is, so it is a fair question, methinks.

Erm... My dragon is larger than about half the render distances. It wouldn't be very practical. :P

I cede the point, good sir.  :) So, how did you design this monolith, anyway?

No, in my mind's eye, a dragon's iris is about one block in size.  (I always have visions of a miner digging and digging when he finally removes a block and sees this giant iris staring back at him...)

Depending on what the body configuration ends up being, that makes them pretty big.  (It makes the classic Mythruna logo dragon about 32+ blocks tall.)  Underground, they will be curled up in a sleeping position I imagine.

Caveats: a creature that large may turn out to be impossible... I have ideas for making it work with physics and other things but as said: might be impossible.

Winged it. I used some voxel building tool outside of MC that let me design lots of the finer points of the piece really quickly through a sort of simulated mesh interface, if that makes sense. I wish I remembered the name of it. xD

I am not really familiar with these sort of things, but I can understand the essentials.  :)

I'll let you in on a little secret, I'm actually really, really bad at this. :D

I was way out of my league the instant I started this project. Still am, really... But I have good reasons for keeping on it. Personal reasons, some of them.

Heh. I actually started this project to prove a point to Paul, as petty as that may seem. I doubt he'd be able to recall why. It's rather obscure at this point, always was, really, but I never forgot is that reason. Something tells me he'll know when he sees it, but I've been wrong before.

If you are really bad at this, then I must be just the absolute worst.  ;)

It's all about the tools you use. Take, for instance, the standard MMORPG model; you can gain stats and accrue equipment to empower you, but it doesn't mean you've become more skilled. I had really good, if not flawed, equipment for the job

Of course, that didn't prevent me from making errors that make this hideous up close. -.-

I'm gonna be editing this thing for at least a couple more days.

Is it really that bad?  ???

Well, not if you're observing from afar. It's just got a bunch of tiny details that are... off, outside of the corruption. Floating feet are some of the more noticeable flaws. The corrupted parts are the worst though. They're big cubes of solid stone or missing pieces that I have to reconstruct by hand.

There are few flaws that take more than ten minutes to fix, but there are tons of them. xD

You have my sympathy. It seems like you have your work cut out for you...

It's all the work I have cut out for me for the next 12 or so days. :P

Well, if it was easy to create a dragon so enormous that it makes the ones that Paul has in mind look like chihuahuas, then everyone would do it.  ;)

It's just time consuming, like the hole I dug. Few people would dedicate the time to constructing something like this on Mythruna.

Putting my old siggy poem here
(http://i59.tinypic.com/1z3t43o.png)

So, did you write that? Te interrrogo, nam latine loqui possum.

I did write it... vicariously. The script is mine, though the language is more elusive to me.

Well, who did the translation? Some parts of it are... interesting.  :-[

The translation suits what I meant to say. If you find yourself having difficulty comprehending part of it, rumination is your best course of action. It's not meant to be easily understood, even in English.

My guess at what you meant for it:
I am the definition of a man.
God of the earth, you quake before me.
God of the air, you blow helplessly against me.
God of the water, you lap at my feet.
God of the fire, I brand you through my anger.
God of life, I rule you.
King of kings, you bend your knees before me.
Peasants, you may hold me as your brother.
The ailing, allow me to heal you.

How was that?

God of air, you are helpless against my breath. Other than that you're spot on.

The grammar is supposed to seem... off. The grammar is a question of sorts, I suppose.

But, a lot of the nouns are in the wrong case, and some of the verbs are weird...  ???

Think of it like this... The poem isn't making a statement; rather, the poem is a statement by an entity, a discussion by that entity. By not using true Latin, so to speak, what does that say about the speaker? It would have been incredibly easy to translate it correctly, so why wasn't it?

There's actually several answers you should get from this, but I've already said too much.

So, the refusal to use the genitive for Aer and aqua was intentional?
Below is a literal (as best as possible) translation:
"I am in the definition of a man.
God of land, tremble (in wrong conjugation group) at the forehead descended from me.
God Air, you against me weak breath.
God water, you with me must be licked (feet does not fit, really)
God of fire, you through a runaway slave with my anger.
God life(accusative), should (it) used to have ruled you by means of me.
King of kings, with knees bent by me (no verb).
Peasants, may  you (singular) have me as a brother,
Ill ones, it is lawful to cure with me you (as a second subject, not an object)."
 ??? :'( ???

The speaker's statement makes complete sense to people that know nothing about the language. That's your final hint. :p

Is it that you are doing the same thing to the language that you are doing to the dei?

Nope.

One more hint, I guess... but this one basically gives you the answer.


The speaker is using a language incorrectly and haphazardly. Given that context, what is the speaker trying to accomplish or appear as to the observers? How does that affect the integrity of his statement? Lastly, if the speaker is comfortable reciting this, what can be said of his audience?

... I love it. He is an idiot trying to sound smart, and he is confident enough in his audience's stupidity to feel confident babbling incoherently. I salute you, my good man.  ;D

Aaand... the  speaker is also a liar. If he can't even master a language, then how the hell is he going to master the elements? :p

Through politics, of course!   ::)

On another topic, are my buttons obtrusive at all?

Not really. They actually look rather fancy. I kind of preferred the poem, though, now that I understand it.

Lol, I might be able to fit it in there. I just thought it took up waaay too much space in my sig. Everyone else has tiny siggies and I walk in with my behemoth poem sig. It's only really matched by Red's leviathan.

Who has the Ziz signature then?

Crap... it's not red. I forgot who had it, unless they removed it.

It's FutureB (http://mythruna.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=99). My bad. :D

That image is... interesting. His is much larger than your poem.

Would anyone care to tirelessly work on scaffolding around the statue?
Long live the unity sigil.

I might be willing to.
If you stop with the hexes...

Sweet! It should only take about 50 hours for you to do it, too. :D

And what do you mean by that? What type of scaffolding?

And that relates to my question how?  ??? ???

It would preferably be a cuboidal matrix... like this, and 130 blocks tall, 150 blocks wide, 250 blocks across.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/14bhich.jpg)

I wasn't talking to you when I mentioned the modification. :D

And you need this in Mythruna, correct? How many squares between each vertical bar? Also, what material?

I want the matrix to fit inside the stage perfectly, so the lines from each centerpoint should be 9 blocks in length. Suffice to say, it's a great deal of iterations.

So, 19 *19 * 19?

I could probably even survive with just a bar matrix with only external pillars now that I think about it. Not ideal, of course, but manageable and easier to build.

Each unit of a cuboid matrix looks like this:

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2mcugqb.jpg)

So it's actually 10x10x10 per unit, if you don't do a bar matrix.

Oh and as for the material... use dirt or wood. It needs to be readily distinguished from the statue when we remove the scaffolds.

Most of the repairs and alterations have been dealt with. Tomorrow should be the last day I need to work on it, hopefully.

Aaand this thread has the most replies out of all the threads.

And apparently, if you start 4 more threads then you'll have tied me for "Story starter".

Dang, you're right.

On topic, I'm gonna have to completely rebuild a wing from scratch. This is gonna be interesting. lol

That sounds like it will be a most... trying experience. Best of luck!

I guess he'll just have to go out on a "limb" and "wing it".  I'm sure once he gets started, the time will really "fly".  (Sorry... I'm a dad so I get to make 'dad jokes'.)

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2jxr87.jpg)

There is no way your going to get the matrix to fit inside this game. Its too huge. And besides, mr.smith wouldn't allow neo to do such a thing.

How long was this supposed to be on the long sides? I am not coming up with a multiple of 10.  
The short sides are not, either... ???

The stage incuding the border should be 250x150. If it's not perfect that's fine. I just need it to be precise enough to use and map most of the statue.

Heh... He's almost done. He's not perfect, but I'll be the only one to notice his flaws.

There's just... one thing left to heal. It's been too long since I made progress on the project like this... (ಥ﹏ಥ)

I... keep getting it in my head that Paul's gonna hate me for this when it's all done. Dumb, I know... but... Ah, he'd probably never figure it all out. I don't know if even I have.

It's kind of like a heartfelt ending to a book or game when I work on this. The ending to my book... something I wrote and... something I don't want to end. Damn. I'm getting emotional because of a bunch of pixels in a game. Again. Maybe all this sentimental value is making me think it's more powerful than it really is, too...

... If I can't finish it within the next couple hours, tomorrow, for certain. When I finish this whole thing... Well... I'll revisit this chapter one day.

The statue is almost 100% complete. All that's left to do is rebuild part of a secret. ;3

It is nowhere near the end of your book; at most, it is a chapter. Completion of a project is always bittersweet, but I am sure that you will find something else to build.  ;)

Heh. It's not so simple for me, unfortunately. The statue is in a world that will just... stop, when I actually tell the story. If you stick around long enough and I finish my other big project... maybe everyone will be able to understand it outside of the fragment... The statue is as much a book as Dante's divine comedy is.

Which is why... there will likely only be one of these, just as there's only one estate. They're each in worlds of their own, seen from lenses of their own. That, and nothing I build... None of it is...

Ah... You'll figure it out yourself, someday. Hell, you might even regret helping me when you see what everything I make is supposed to propagate.

... My last hint is that I'd break if I had to endure this again, and it has nothing to do with building the statue.

As long as you are not somehow encouraging ethnic cleansing or some other such crime against humanity, I am not likely to regret helping you. :) And what is this "other large project" of which you speak?  ???

I'm kind of encouraging the opposite of it; the opposite to such an extent that it's a disagreement with Paul.

As for the project: you'll see. It's not new, or anything. When it's done, it will open the way to the end of this story. I'll probably have to break a bunch of my own rules to get to that point, but if that's what it takes...



As an aside, the dragon has a brain that's at least 21,000 times larger than an average human, at this scale. Ultimately meaningless because of how brains actually work, but eh.

I worry about what sort of end requires breaking rules...   :-[

An end that ultimately affects nothing, but requires godhood.

Alas, I'm feeling... enigmatic.

If you're so concerned of the content of the end, the story has been told in secret, and in plain view. Search everything, and you will find the answers.

There are times when you feel otherwise?  ::)

Heh. Elegance and enigma are easily confused, are they not?

Since we are on the topic of enigma... When I begin construction, I'd prefer it if people abstained from viewing the site or taking screenshots.

Begin construction on what?

The statue. You're kind of an exception because you're myslaveassistant.

I feel so special!  ;D

The no screenshot rule still applies btw.

I'll never speak to you again if you do so ye.

Sure. It is your magnum opus, after all.  ;)

... I've done all I can for him. I must rest a while before beginning construction.

... The coming week will be a rigorous one, indeed.

Enjoy your rest!

Why would I hate you?  heheh.

Given some of the comments in this thread, I guess there is some reference I'm supposed to get.  I'm not sure I have the bandwidth to remember it, though.  Sorry for that.

I can't wait to see the statue :P

I'll be a good boy and wait for it to be completed.

Only ebag knows the secret of the statue. The secret is. the part that might jog your memory.

Considering ebag hasn't been around in a while... Maybe you're better off not knowing the secret of the statue.

Ebag is getting a theoretical knife to the face when I find him. >:(

He literally got bored and joined another community. There's a slight feeling of betrayal on my end. :l

Someone should tell him he can be a part of more than one community. :S

He probably was there more for the game than the community, which I guess I can understand. Splitting yourself between even two similar games can be a little taxing. I end up playing mythruna for weeks on end, then MC for weeks on end afterwards, for instance.

Holy crap Aeferian is fast

The scaffolds are complete, all thanks to Aeferian. He's way more consistent than... Everybody, actually. He nolifed those scaffolds. xD

I do aim to please.  ;)

I haven't been on the game in awhile so Im not sure if this is still going on.  But if it is, how far along are you? I still cant figure out the directions good enough to figure out where you are. Though Im sure I will probably be able to see it once its finished given how big it will be.

It's been done for eight months or so...